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		<title>By: willcwhite</title>
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		<dc:creator>willcwhite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric - I completely agree with everything in this comment.  Except that I love the Viennese Waltzes... they just dance right off the page!!  Thanks for posting!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric &#8211; I completely agree with everything in this comment.  Except that I love the Viennese Waltzes&#8230; they just dance right off the page!!  Thanks for posting!</p>
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		<title>By: Eric L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 02:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding Alan Gilbert: he&#039;s a smart musician with refined taste, but I think he&#039;s the wrong person for the Phil now, especially after the truly lackluster tenure of Lorin Maazel. I in fact think he&#039;s a bit too smart for his own good--afraid to take real chances, in both repertoire selection or in podium theatrics and flair. So I agree--he&#039;s bland. Like vanilla ice cream or Jay Leno. 

Regarding repertoire for the NYE concerts--I haven&#039;t watched either. I haven&#039;t watched a single Vienna concert since high school. I can&#039;t stand much of the Viennese waltzes; I admire the historical associations and the tradition, but on a personal level, that repertoire just doesn&#039;t speak to me. The NYP show looks like a bad Boston Pops concert; I know they needed to play some populist stuff to please the PBS bean-counters, but nothing says middle-of-the-road like a lot of Copland. I actually kind of like Copland, but I think it needs the right contextual programming around it, and the Phil&#039;s show hardly does that. (Again, I&#039;ll admit I haven&#039;t watched either. I&#039;m judging this based on your descriptions and past experiences with this sort of concert....so take what I&#039;m saying with a grain of salt)

Regarding dress: I think the traditional formal wear of tuxes is problematic so I completely sympathize with the trend among certain people in classical music circles regarding the need to &#039;dress down.&#039; I DO however, think most people in this camp have taken the wrong approach the correcting the problem. Neither Hawaiian shirts (I&#039;ve seen this happen) or all black are the way to go. Nor is jeans and an untucked shirt. I&#039;ve also seen this happen. 

What I&#039;d really like to see are some contemporary style suits and gowns or perhaps bring in a slick fashion designer (here is where too avant garde is NOT good)...I want fashionably-hip formal rather than slob-casual (which is what happened when you start dressing down orchestras) or the too formal (i.e. white-tie all the time). There&#039;s a place for white-tie, but I don&#039;t think that should be the norm today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding Alan Gilbert: he&#8217;s a smart musician with refined taste, but I think he&#8217;s the wrong person for the Phil now, especially after the truly lackluster tenure of Lorin Maazel. I in fact think he&#8217;s a bit too smart for his own good&#8211;afraid to take real chances, in both repertoire selection or in podium theatrics and flair. So I agree&#8211;he&#8217;s bland. Like vanilla ice cream or Jay Leno. </p>
<p>Regarding repertoire for the NYE concerts&#8211;I haven&#8217;t watched either. I haven&#8217;t watched a single Vienna concert since high school. I can&#8217;t stand much of the Viennese waltzes; I admire the historical associations and the tradition, but on a personal level, that repertoire just doesn&#8217;t speak to me. The NYP show looks like a bad Boston Pops concert; I know they needed to play some populist stuff to please the PBS bean-counters, but nothing says middle-of-the-road like a lot of Copland. I actually kind of like Copland, but I think it needs the right contextual programming around it, and the Phil&#8217;s show hardly does that. (Again, I&#8217;ll admit I haven&#8217;t watched either. I&#8217;m judging this based on your descriptions and past experiences with this sort of concert&#8230;.so take what I&#8217;m saying with a grain of salt)</p>
<p>Regarding dress: I think the traditional formal wear of tuxes is problematic so I completely sympathize with the trend among certain people in classical music circles regarding the need to &#8216;dress down.&#8217; I DO however, think most people in this camp have taken the wrong approach the correcting the problem. Neither Hawaiian shirts (I&#8217;ve seen this happen) or all black are the way to go. Nor is jeans and an untucked shirt. I&#8217;ve also seen this happen. </p>
<p>What I&#8217;d really like to see are some contemporary style suits and gowns or perhaps bring in a slick fashion designer (here is where too avant garde is NOT good)&#8230;I want fashionably-hip formal rather than slob-casual (which is what happened when you start dressing down orchestras) or the too formal (i.e. white-tie all the time). There&#8217;s a place for white-tie, but I don&#8217;t think that should be the norm today.</p>
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		<title>By: Lelchuk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lelchuk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 21:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A concert, especially a New Year&#039;s concert, is and should be kept a formal event. Not everything needs to be dressed down &quot;for the masses.&quot; I really don&#039;t think dressing down attracts more people; I think if anything it discourages potential new converts to classical music, as it takes away part of what is special and unique about a classical concert or opera: namely, the formality. 

Great blog, Will, by the way. Totally agreed on almost everything. Part of the beauty of a Vienna Philharmonic New Year&#039;s day concert (they do not play any New Year&#039;s eve concert) is that every year they sound the same! Each time they play a piece, such as this Die Fledermaus overture, the same phrasing-- take the oboe theme starting at 5.12, how the group of sixteenth notes is slightly delayed and how the 1st of the sixteenth notes is play slightly with a tenuto and the other three rushed. These small playful timing issues are all over the concert. Every piece they play on these New Year&#039;s concerts is saturated with the most lovely, complex, yet totally organic nuance. This is really the highest form of musicality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A concert, especially a New Year&#8217;s concert, is and should be kept a formal event. Not everything needs to be dressed down &#8220;for the masses.&#8221; I really don&#8217;t think dressing down attracts more people; I think if anything it discourages potential new converts to classical music, as it takes away part of what is special and unique about a classical concert or opera: namely, the formality. </p>
<p>Great blog, Will, by the way. Totally agreed on almost everything. Part of the beauty of a Vienna Philharmonic New Year&#8217;s day concert (they do not play any New Year&#8217;s eve concert) is that every year they sound the same! Each time they play a piece, such as this Die Fledermaus overture, the same phrasing&#8211; take the oboe theme starting at 5.12, how the group of sixteenth notes is slightly delayed and how the 1st of the sixteenth notes is play slightly with a tenuto and the other three rushed. These small playful timing issues are all over the concert. Every piece they play on these New Year&#8217;s concerts is saturated with the most lovely, complex, yet totally organic nuance. This is really the highest form of musicality.</p>
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		<title>By: Künkel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Künkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with almost all of your points.  However, I have to say I enjoyed watching both concerts equally.  I think Appalachian Spring was a fine choice - maybe not to start off the concert though.  I remember a NY Phil New Year&#039;s Eve concert from about 5 years ago with Sir Andrew Davis and Renee Fleming.  L&#039;apres-midi d&#039;un faune and Ravel&#039;s Sheherazade were on the program - not the most festive, showy music for New Year&#039;s Eve, but it still worked.  It&#039;s nice to have a little depth...      

As for the clothing issue, I&#039;m a proud dress-downer for symphony concerts!  Casualization is my middle name!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with almost all of your points.  However, I have to say I enjoyed watching both concerts equally.  I think Appalachian Spring was a fine choice &#8211; maybe not to start off the concert though.  I remember a NY Phil New Year&#8217;s Eve concert from about 5 years ago with Sir Andrew Davis and Renee Fleming.  L&#8217;apres-midi d&#8217;un faune and Ravel&#8217;s Sheherazade were on the program &#8211; not the most festive, showy music for New Year&#8217;s Eve, but it still worked.  It&#8217;s nice to have a little depth&#8230;      </p>
<p>As for the clothing issue, I&#8217;m a proud dress-downer for symphony concerts!  Casualization is my middle name!</p>
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